Defining Evil, Good, Justice, and Hero

Subject: Defining Evil, Good, Justice, and Hero October 10th 2008, 3:44 pm

What is evil?
What is justice?
If you read and you watch a lot of shows. We always view the bad guy as evil, but if you truly look at it. The bad guy is just a rebel. He's causing a civil war, he's breaking out of the rules. Does that make justice, our fear of change? If a bad guy wants to change the world, but we say its evil to do that....does that make justice fear of change? What defines an action as evil? What defines someone as evil? What defines someone a hero or good? What defines an action of justice?
Hope that wasn't to confusing.

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Good and Evil are very subjective. It all depends on the person's pov.

Subject: Re: Defining Evil, Good, Justice, and Hero October 10th 2008, 4:48 pm

These are all things mankind has been struggling to define since we evolved to a point where we became self-aware and realized that death is going to come claim us all, eventually. I don't think you're going to find any concrete answers here.

Subject: Reply October 10th 2008, 5:55 pm

Ah, leave to political season to clearly answer some questions.

The government (any government) is evil. It is the good people who try to limit or who are suppressed by the government.

Justice is when the government loses a fight due to the complexity of their own system.

A hero is anyone who supports the common man against tyranny.

Subject: Re: Defining Evil, Good, Justice, and Hero October 10th 2008, 9:38 pm

Leaka wrote:: What is evil?
What is justice?
If you read and you watch a lot of shows. We always view the bad guy as evil, but if you truly look at it. The bad guy is just a rebel. He's causing a civil war, he's breaking out of the rules. Does that make justice, our fear of change? If a bad guy wants to change the world, but we say its evil to do that....does that make justice fear of change? What defines an action as evil? What defines someone as evil? What defines someone a hero or good? What defines an action of justice?
Hope that wasn't to confusing.

These are amazingly insightful questions and writers and story tellers from as far back as there have been stories have wrestled with this very idea and stand. I suppose to ask this question might even be the start of self realization.

Wonderful question and not confusing at all.

I wish I had an answer for you, but the greatest minds in our past and present have set down to solve this riddle, countless novels, poems, stories and fables have surrounded this question.

But still a great question.

Subject: Re: Defining Evil, Good, Justice, and Hero October 11th 2008, 4:36 am

I'll try my best to satisfy those questions, because I personally have satisfied myself with answers to them.

The world has many forms of life, spiritual and tangible. Most of them have one center of thought, one aspiration and one idol. With this objective, they keep doing what they just 'know'. This procedure of obedience to the process of 'knowing' and then believing in it is nature. To do and act at your instinct is nature. There are forces which rebel this obedience, and hamper the equilibrium of nature. We'll see to that later.

So, long story short: nature in constant obedience of an inspiration which is set into their minds, and they follow it. In nature, humans are also involved. Where whatever nature does effects the equilibrium of this world, what man does has an equal impact.

Technically it would mean that since almost all of humans act at our nature, we are also in constant obedience of this center. But no, we're not. Because our instinct has been clouded by the forces in this world who rebel this obedience. Is that evil?

Yes, it is. It is fair to rebel someone who knows as much as you or less than you, who is the same as you or lower in rank than you and someone who has the same power as you or lesser than it. When we literally speak of obedience to a center which is free of imperfections and weaknesses, we shouldn't rebel because what the center does is out of irrefutable wisdom, and we cannot understand it through our visions sometimes. It's like children and parents. Except sometimes, children rebel towards their parents and feel their parents are wrong, when their parents are doing the right thing.

Our actions alter equilibrium, and that happens when we rebel to ultimate truth. Is there ultimate truth? Yes, you and me, we are ultimate truth. If you believe we don't exist, then that's your perspective, but scientifically and logically, our existence is an ultimate truth. What happens is ultimate, and finally, what IS is IS. You can't change, through beliefs and claims, and proposing ideas, what IS. Death IS there. These realities which we either don't see or don't want to see, are ultimate truths. So, here’s a summary of forces in and out of this world:
1) Obedient forces
2) Rebellious forces
3) Infinite/irrefutable wisdom
4) Ultimate truth
Now, to your questions Leaka.

Quote :: What is evil?

Rebelling infinite wisdom and ultimate truth.

Quote :: What is justice?

The persons scarred in process of this rebellion are given their right to claim negative actions against the rebel. It is harsh, but logical. It is a part of equilibrium. Give and take.

Quote :: If you read and you watch a lot of shows. We always view the bad guy as evil, but if you truly look at it. The bad guy is just a rebel. He's causing a civil war, he's breaking out of the rules. Does that make justice, our fear of change?

No. Change is needed if there are imperfections. The world is imperfect, but not the one force steering the wheel. You can aim to change the world, but not the laws because they have been defined by infinite wisdom. The laws are ultimate truths. (By these laws I don’t mean the government, but the laws of nature and reality)

Quote :: What defines someone as evil?

No one can be judged properly till this date. We can only use his claims against him e.g. a man calls himself a murderer, then we can say that to him. But to derive explanations without any base is evil itself. It is best to just wish for him to rejoin the equilibrium, unless he openly harms the peace. Then, as an advocate of equilibrium, we must do something to punish him to save the world. Some may argue that he should be forgiven to promote love and kindness and perhaps that he would be sorry, but the question arises: do I have the right to forgive someone for the wrong they do to someone else? Unless it's my own, I have no right to deal another person's life.

Quote :: What defines someone a hero or good?

Does he promote the tranquility of the world? Does he adhere to the equilibrium?

Quote :: What defines an action of justice?

Justice is impossible in this world. Tell me, if we talk of ultimate truths, how can we give justice to Hitler? Impossible. Even if we try, we cannot fully repay the million Jews he persecuted, the fear he invoked in people's hearts, the families which were torn, the tears which were shed, the world economy trashed, the nature destroyed...As humans, it is not possible. We can only remove one from the equilibrium or from the position of being able to harm the equilibrium, until the end of time comes and these weaknesses are finally removed.

Anyone not agreeing does not offend me, unless they make accusative claims.